Unusual masturbation techniques causing problems?

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Prone masturbation can cause problemsUnusual or vigorous masturbation techniques can contribute to copulatory erectile dysfunction. Normal intercourse cannot match the pressure (death grip) and speed (very fast movements) employed by many desensitized men. Masturbating on the stomach (prone) can be one of the most troublesome forms of masturbation in terms of reducing sensitivity to normal intercourse.

This website www.healthystrokes.com helps men recover from prone masturbation, which they call "traumatic masturbation syndrome." The following two FAQs are from healthystrokes.com.

  • What is Traumatic Masturbatory Syndrome? Traumatic Masturbatory Syndrome (TMS) is the habit some males have of masturbating in a face-down (prone) position. Some TMS practitioners rub their penises against the mattress, pillow, or other bedding, or the floor. Some TMS practitioners lie on their stomachs and thrust into their hands.
  • What's wrong with masturbating in this fashion? Masturbating face down puts excessive pressure on the penis, and especially on the base of the penis. These sensations are not easily replicated in conventional masturbation or in sexual intercourse. This can make TMS practitioners unable to have normal sexual relations. A survey conducted for this web site revealed that males who masturbate conventionally have sex 6.6 times more often than TMS practitioners.

By the way, healthystrokes.com suggests that stopping prone masturbation for only one week will be long enough before you begin to retrain with new habits. Such advice may be fine for someone who hasn't used porn, but it is unlikely to work for heavy porn users. They need longer to "reboot" their brains. (Read warning about Healthy Strokes by forum member.)

It's important to understand that both porn and extreme masturbation techniques cause desensitization and rewiring of the brain. In other words, the brain needs time to heal and rewire to solve both problems. The following paragraphs are taken from this thread on prone masturbation, "Porn recovery and weird masturbation habits," from the reuniting.info forum:

I'm not sure what becomes desensitized with aggressive or vigorous masturbation methods. Is it the nerve endings in the penis, the connections in the spinal cord, or the brain itself...or all 3? Men who engage in prone masturbation have to change the way they masturbate. It's that simple.

No matter the form of masturbation, you may be overriding your brain's natural "stop doing this" mechanisms. If you need to fantasize to get an erection, your brain is saying "no." If you need a certain type of manual stimulation to masturbate, your brain is saying "no." If you need porn to masturbate, your brain is definitely saying "no." And if you have ED from excessive porn/masturbation, your brain is screaming at you "STOP!"

If you broke your leg, you brain would be screaming, in the form of pain, "Don't walk!" Only with super-human will could you overcome your body and brain's messages and put weight on your broken leg. This is what you are doing when you force masturbation. You are ignoring all the normal signals from your body and brain in order to force performance. That's a full-blown addiction, with all the associated brain changes.

The fact that you are experiencing zero libido, tells you exactly what you should be doing: nothing. No fantasy, no masturbation, no porn.

Recognize that an urge to masturbate arises from two different places:

  1. Your addiction pathways being triggered by a thought or a cue, or
  2. True libido - where you spontaneously get a full erection, and need no outside stimuli or unusual masturbation techniques to have an orgasm.

Everyone’s goal here is to move from number 1 to number 2.

The good news is that if you've been masturbating prone, you may have been watching less porn than the average guy because it's hard to watch and lie face down. You may recover more quickly (or not). Here's one guy's story:

[2 weeks] For 25 years, I was P&Ming a lot to porn - in prone position, mind you. I started this reboot because I couldn't get it up for sex - with three different women.

Maybe I'm some type of special case, but I really am not missing the P that much anymore. After only 3 days, I got "excited " when a female friend came over who I wasn't attracted to before. Now, I haven't tried sex yet but I'm getting it up a lot easier now than ever before. Women are looking more attractive to me every day. I don't know why. I'm feeling certain vibes go through my brain whenever I see a racy scene on TV.

P is great fantasy, and hey, it's nice to see things you could only imagine before. But we gotta resist it no matter what. The more we watch it, the more it really does make us push farther and farther to get an even better high - or sense of satisfaction. As crazy as this sounds, I think our bodies and mind are trying to save us by shutting down early and not preforming . What we have created with overstimulation to porn isn't natural.

I think a sign that your equipment will start to work right, is when you start to wake up with morning wood. If not full wood, at least half wood. I also believe that when you see sexual images or semi-sexual images of folks and you feel tinglings in your brain, that's a sign you must be starting too resensitize yourself to normal.

[3.5 weeks] I met a attractive woman, we clicked, got along and, well, we had intercourse. The moment was there and it happened. I had no problems whatsoever, and was surprised I was able to get to attention so fast and for so long. Didn't lose any erection or anything like that. The experience was very wonderful. I noticed without M and P I was able to preform and very well according to my female partner.

I know I'm not cured or anything and have to start over, but it's even easier starting over the second time around. This week has passed by very fast and, well, I'm enjoying life more.

I just followed the advice here, and damn it! Not only do I feel better, but I feel a lot more excited and horny. There's no way to describe how much more excited I am around women. I feel more sexual. I feel like I haven't felt since I was in high school. 2 hard weeks of no porn brought back feeling of desire for women. Not just the "She's pretty!" desire, but confidence and a little cockiness. It is worth the wait guys. It's worth the resistance and willpower to avoid P&M as much as you can.

Here's another forum member's experience (he also quotes from heathlystrokes.com):

"Traumatic Masturbatory Syndrome (TMS) is the habit some males have of masturbating in a face-down (prone) position. Some TMS practitioners rub their penises against the mattress, pillow, or other bedding, or the floor. Some TMS practitioners lie on their stomachs and thrust into their hands.

Masturbating face down puts excessive pressure on the penis, and especially on the base of the penis. These sensations are not easily replicated in conventional masturbation or in sexual intercourse. This can make TMS practitioners unable to have normal sexual relations. A survey conducted for this web site revealed that males who masturbate conventionally have sex 6.6 times more often than TMS practitioners."

Actually it's very dangerous and can have long lasting, chronic side effects. (ED, delayed orgasm, physical damage) I also used to masturbate prone, I discovered it when I began to masturbate and never used my hands until I stopped PMO.

People masturbate prone because it generates such a pressure on the penis that the stimulus is way higher, thus bigger dopamine high. It felt so good like nothing else in life I ever experienced, even drug-like.

After 5 years of doing so I could not masturbate with my hands. It simply wasn't possible. I stood in the shower and giving up after 10 minutes. I was depressed about it but never give it a second thought, had no clue was it was about.

"More than 90 percent of males learn to masturbate through self-discovery. Males who practice TMS unfortunately self-discovered an unconventional method. Males who learn to masturbate from other people invariably learn to do it the conventional way. (Most males who discover it for themselves also discover the conventional way.)"

Actually I think it's more complex. Masturbating prone is more rewarding, so depressed people with an already low-reward life can be tempted to try masturbating prone. But I don't know for sure...

However, I also self-discovered the wrong way, so I knew nothing else. But when I realized most people masturbate with their hands, I didn't like it because it wasn't rewarding, and I could only fantasize if I lay on my bed face down.

After 4-5 months without excessive masturbation I can proudly announce I regained my ability to masturbate with my hands, gently and even without fantasizing and have a good, intensive orgasm. :) Only a few weeks into it made a huge difference.

Another guy:

I haven't been on here for a while but I thought I'd let you know that I am cured and I too masturbated prone since I was young, 36 now. Read Doidge's book; it's a great primer for neuroplasticity. You may not like this but I have no idea how many days it took to get myself cured. I took some advice a while back and decided to not count the days. If you want to use "days" as a measuring stick, great. For me, just stopping all masturbation completely and looking at female images online did the trick, plus exercise and meditation. TMS is a bitch, I think it may make it more difficult to recover but it can be done. I haven't had any ED issues in long while now. Good luck guys.

Female perspective:

It works! 35-ish days of no porn and no fap, major results!

I've had a case of what I think is female death grip and porn conditioning, although not actual porn addiction. Basically, over the past few years, things have changed such that in order to get off, I needed to use my own particular masturbation technique and usually porn as well. I started dating a wonderful guy during this time, and found to my dismay that I couldn't have orgasms with him unless I did it myself, and even then, it was difficult.

A little over a month ago, I started a 30 day no fap, no porn challenge. I'm now back to having orgasms from my boyfriend, by hand. It's not completely consistent yet, but the improvement is huge. Thanks, no fap!

I found some advice from Your Brain On Porn especially helpful. l made a point of not thinking about porn while having sex with my boyfriend. I think it really helped break the conditioning around porn. In fact, I have been experimenting with masturbation again (without porn), and I find it easy to get off just from thinking about my boyfriend and the sex we have. It's been great!

Warning about Healthy Strokes from forum member:

Even if I think that the author of healthystrokes.com is an amazing person, who wants to help people get rid of that behaviour, he is also a damned stupid one. Why is that? Because he openly proclaims that 'visual aids' are not a problem at all. It is his opinion that porn is not harmful and that normal masturbation is the healthiest thing in the world. He simply doesn't seem to understand the brain changes that occur through an addiction.

I think this is most troublesome as it doesn't help to get rid of that goddamn addiction at all. It might, at best, change it in another direction. It is a good idea to tell people about healthystrokes.com. But you really should think about adding that the solution provided at that site might very well lead people into a troublesome trap. This is what happened to me:

Yourbrainonporn.com taught me that I'm an addict and that I have to stop this addiction to get a better life. The solution: Quit cold turkey from any kind of PMO. Healthystrokes.com teaches guys about the trouble of prone masturbation, but not at all about why they are having these troubles. Not a hint that they might be addicted at all.

The author's solution: Stop prone masturbation, start normal masturbation. If you can't do it, stop masturbating prone for a week or a little more, then try it the normal way. Fail? Start again. And so one goes through withdrawal again and again and again.

I was and still get stuck wondering if what is provided at yourbrainonporn is right. It makes so much sense; it simply has to work. Then again, maybe that dude from healthystrokes is totally right and I just have to relearn masturbation. Who cares if I have to jerk off while being only 50 percent erect? It will get better in time. WRONG. It doesn't. And it always ends in relapsing with prone masturbation and binging at that. Been there for myself too many times.

 That said, some guys have a lot of trouble recovering from TMS.

Comments

Hi Gary, thanks for this post.

I've been reading through the executive summary at http://www.healthystrokes.com/.

There are two statements in this site that I would ask you to comment:

1) Yes, it's necessary for males to masturbate.

2) It's necessary for males past puberty to ejaculate

Best

First, we suggest that once men have rebooted their brains, that they find a sex/masturbation schedule that works for them. Our suggestions are meant for addiction recovery and porn-induced ED. We really don't have suggestions for post recovery. The important question is "will taking a few months off masturbation negatively affect me?" We have only seen positive effects for those addicted to porn or with porn-induced ED.

Be aware that there are hunter-gatherer tribes that have no word for masturbation (in the following articles). Which means masturbation is not inevitable for some populations. Ejaculation will no doubt occur without masturbation - either through wet dreams, or sex.

Here are some pages on the subject:

An FAQ - Are there any guidelines for healthy masturbation?
http://yourbrainonporn.com/are-there-any-guidelines-for-healthy-masturba...

Ejaculation: How Often for Good Health?
http://yourbrainonporn.com/ejaculation-how-often-for-good-health

Masturbation, Fantasy and Captivity
http://yourbrainonporn.com/masturbation-fantasy-and-captivity

WEIRD Masturbation Habits
http://yourbrainonporn.com/weird-masturbation-habits

Great Gary, thanks. Crystal clear.

Ok im 15 and i know specific science has not yet concluded the recovery from my age group problem but i just have one qeustion. Ok for my background oi have been masturbating to porn for about 3 to 4 years. Now i have been on a no pmo strikeout for exactly 4 months now. Today i thought i would try a lil inoccent stroke so i cleared my mind and only focused on feeling. I didnt orgasm at all and i was close but incredibily i was able to control my climax. This was all in the shower. I used some avon body oil my mom had and stroked cleared my mind and i was holdin a semi but pretty good erection. I hardly had erections like tht in my 4 years of abbuse. So do you think i relapse because of the stimulatiom i have my self. Or i took a step forward. If so im willing to practice this every monday. And also how can i relax and get erections with my girlfriend. Thank you and please respond.

This FAQ discusses the concept of relapse - What stimuli must I avoid during my reboot (did I relapse)?

15 is pretty young for a "reboot". Are you saying that you have porn-induced ED? You also seem to be saying that this is the best erection you have had in a long time. How long have you had ED? Are you sure it's porn related? How will to gauge when you are cured?

Maybe you have read this FAQ discussing young guys who may be taking a bit too long. It suggests doing what you are trying - at least for a while.

Started on Internet porn and my reboot (ED) is taking too long

However, you have a girlfriend, so it may apply to you.

Are you also saying that you have performance anxiety? Is your erection weaker with her, than when you masturbate while thinking about her?

We don't have any articles on performance anxiety. However, it's not unusual to get that mixed in with porn related desensitization.

You could visit http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/ for advice on performance anxiety. Lots of guys there with lots of experience.

And yes i know i may seem very young to be having these problems but ive searched this website and took the test and it proved to be from porn. What made me stop and complently give up porn was when my girlfriend let me touch her and got familiar with each others bodies and i felt nothing. At that point i knew porn messed me up and these last 4 months wasnt hard to avoid porn at all but results arent really high. One time we tried to have sex and i couldent get it up. At that point i knew it was serious and i started qeustioning my selfesteem. And i get semi hard then lose it when where making out. I just wanna know if theres any methods i should take and should i continue to avoid harmful stimuli. It always feels like a brain fog when it comes to intimacy but deep down i know theres hope and i just feel there is way i can allow myself to get an erection after all these years of having semi next to none. So if there are any things you can recommend i would be happy to follow. I know im young but guys 17 to 20 arent really alone....

on performance anxiety - if that's what you are experiencing. Nearly every guy under 40 who has any ED is given the diagnosis of performance anxiety. So there is a lot of information out there.

They key is to have both you and your partner to be OK with whatever happens. Have no goals. Just become comfortable with each other.

Again, I will suggest the guys on http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/ - they have a porn-induced ED section. The founder had that condition. And a lot of these guys have a lot of experience....and all would have experienced performance anxiety because once you ED caused by other factors (such as porn), you will have anxiety about being able to perform. It just makes sense.

hi, this post opened my mind about my favorite position for masturbating as a child. fortunately i corrected myself pretty early ( when i was 13 i think) and masturbated prone again just a few times in many years. the problem is that i've been rebooting for 19 days now,and i've noticed i get erections when i'm lying prone on my bed. i don't do anything to induce the erections, no fantasies, no touching, no rubbing, they just happen. might this be harming my reboot?

 

1) The rebooting tab above?

2) and this FAQ?

What stimuli must I avoid during my reboot (did I relapse)?  http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/what-stimuli-must-i-avoid-during-my-reboo...

There's nothing wrong with erections

i know there's nothing wrong with erections, i was just wondering whether it could be a problem to get them while laying prone.

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to know if you guys think (or have learned) that its necessary to readjust to normal masturbation after reboooting before adjusting back to normal sex. Note: I'm a virgin so I've never had sex so my brain doesn't really have any associations with getting an erection and orgasm from sex. Also something interesting is that I have now managed to have an orgasm only from prone stimulation whereas I can now masturbate normally and ejaculate only with regular masturbation (with no orgasm). It's like the act of penile stimulation with my hand and ejaculation are now completely removed from the orgasm itself. I can still get erect to fantasy and masturbate and ejaculate all without the orgasm. Please answer my previous question if possible as I am really freaking out and don't know how to proceed.

that prone masturbation was your usual way to masturbate? And that now you can now masturbate supine? I don't understand the ejaculation without orgasm - I have heard of it the other way around.

I've never had sex so my brain doesn't really have any associations with getting an erection and orgasm from sex.

That would be the case for every guy on earth, but most do just fine. I still don't understand - you seem to be saying that you can get erect with regular masturbation.

 

Thank you for replying. No, prone was not my usual way to masturbate (at least I don't think it was, but now that I reflect, there were some times where I would use a pillow to get aroused, but more often that not I would use my hand up and down which is the normal method). after starting porn, I exclusively used my hand. then, in trying nofap, I think I started to subconsciously drift back to prone and "edging". I think prone and edging go very well together and it can be easy to transition to prone if edging. Today, the story is different. Now I can read something about sex online and get erect and then use prone to get weird small orgasms without ejaculation. The erection goes away soon after. Then if I try to stimulate myself with my hand, I can also get it erect and with vigorous hand motion I can ejaculate but I do not experience the orgasm. I'm just scared that if somehow I don't readjust to getting an orgasm through hand masturbation, if I relapse in the future I'll still be reliant on prone. I think its much better to relapse to hand rather than prone. So I'm asking if you think its necessary for me to readjust to hand first before completely eliminating porn and masturbation altogether and just focusing on real sex.

whether you had ED or not. Either way you sound pretty good when it comes to achieving erections. Note that a relapse is porn use (or porn substitutes), and not masturbation. You would do well to separate sexual arousal from porn - that's what a reboot is all about.

I don't have an answer for ejaculation without orgasm. You may want to see a urologist for that.

 

thank you for your response. For the ED, I guess you could say that yes I have some ED, but I'm still able to get it erect if I use mental fantasy about real women AND use my hand. I think I am going to just abstain from all masturbation until I'm fully cured and only focus on getting aroused. I don't think any urologist is gonna be of any help based on what I've read about the medical profession's lack of awareness of this issue. one last question, are you gary wilson? Or just one of the administrator's of this website?

yes, this is Gary Wilson.

 

Wow, I'm very excited and glad to have communicated with you Gary! If I could, I would come over and hug you personally. Please know that your work has contributed such enormous happiness to the lives of myself and many others and for that you should feel incredibly proud and joyous. You have done something which few people have the courage to do. If I ever reach a public platform (or public office) in my life (which I plan to do) I will be sure to remember you and try to get others to acknowledge the work you have done. A very very heartfelt thank-you. :)