Unusual masturbation techniques causing problems? (Traumatic Masturbation Syndrome)

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Prone masturbation can cause problemsUnusual or vigorous masturbation techniques can contribute to copulatory erectile dysfunction. Normal intercourse cannot match the pressure (death grip) and speed (very fast movements) employed by many desensitized men. Masturbating on the stomach (prone) can be one of the most troublesome forms of masturbation in terms of reducing sensitivity to normal intercourse.

This website www.healthystrokes.com helps men recover from prone masturbation, which they call "traumatic masturbation syndrome." The following two FAQs are from healthystrokes.com.

  • What is Traumatic Masturbatory Syndrome? Traumatic Masturbatory Syndrome (TMS) is the habit some males have of masturbating in a face-down (prone) position. Some TMS practitioners rub their penises against the mattress, pillow, or other bedding, or the floor. Some TMS practitioners lie on their stomachs and thrust into their hands.
  • What's wrong with masturbating in this fashion? Masturbating face down puts excessive pressure on the penis, and especially on the base of the penis. These sensations are not easily replicated in conventional masturbation or in sexual intercourse. This can make TMS practitioners unable to have normal sexual relations. A survey conducted for this web site revealed that males who masturbate conventionally have sex 6.6 times more often than TMS practitioners.

By the way, healthystrokes.com suggests that stopping prone masturbation for only one week will be long enough before you begin to retrain with new habits. Such advice may be fine for someone who hasn't used porn, but it is unlikely to work for heavy porn users. They need longer to "reboot" their brains. (Read warning about Healthy Strokes by forum member.)

It's important to understand that both porn and extreme masturbation techniques cause desensitization and rewiring of the brain. In other words, the brain needs time to heal and rewire to solve both problems.  See Studies linking porn use or porn/sex addiction to sexual dysfunctions, lower brain activation to sexual stimuli, and lower sexual satisfaction.

The following paragraphs are taken from this thread on prone masturbation, "Porn recovery and weird masturbation habits," from the reuniting.info forum:

I'm not sure what becomes desensitized with aggressive or vigorous masturbation methods. Is it the nerve endings in the penis, the connections in the spinal cord, or the brain itself...or all 3? Men who engage in prone masturbation have to change the way they masturbate. It's that simple.

No matter the form of masturbation, you may be overriding your brain's natural "stop doing this" mechanisms. If you need to fantasize to get an erection, your brain is saying "no." If you need a certain type of manual stimulation to masturbate, your brain is saying "no." If you need porn to masturbate, your brain is definitely saying "no." And if you have ED from excessive porn/masturbation, your brain is screaming at you "STOP!"

If you broke your leg, you brain would be screaming, in the form of pain, "Don't walk!" Only with super-human will could you overcome your body and brain's messages and put weight on your broken leg. This is what you are doing when you force masturbation. You are ignoring all the normal signals from your body and brain in order to force performance. That's a full-blown addiction, with all the associated brain changes.

The fact that you are experiencing zero libido, tells you exactly what you should be doing: nothing. No fantasy, no masturbation, no porn.

Recognize that an urge to masturbate arises from two different places:

  1. Your addiction pathways being triggered by a thought or a cue, or
  2. True libido - where you spontaneously get a full erection, and need no outside stimuli or unusual masturbation techniques to have an orgasm.

Everyone’s goal here is to move from number 1 to number 2.

The good news is that if you've been masturbating prone, you may have been watching less porn than the average guy because it's hard to watch and lie face down. You may recover more quickly (or not). Here's one guy's story:

[2 weeks] For 25 years, I was P&Ming a lot to porn - in prone position, mind you. I started this reboot because I couldn't get it up for sex - with three different women.

Maybe I'm some type of special case, but I really am not missing the P that much anymore. After only 3 days, I got "excited " when a female friend came over who I wasn't attracted to before. Now, I haven't tried sex yet but I'm getting it up a lot easier now than ever before. Women are looking more attractive to me every day. I don't know why. I'm feeling certain vibes go through my brain whenever I see a racy scene on TV.

P is great fantasy, and hey, it's nice to see things you could only imagine before. But we gotta resist it no matter what. The more we watch it, the more it really does make us push farther and farther to get an even better high - or sense of satisfaction. As crazy as this sounds, I think our bodies and mind are trying to save us by shutting down early and not preforming . What we have created with overstimulation to porn isn't natural.

I think a sign that your equipment will start to work right, is when you start to wake up with morning wood. If not full wood, at least half wood. I also believe that when you see sexual images or semi-sexual images of folks and you feel tinglings in your brain, that's a sign you must be starting too resensitize yourself to normal.

[3.5 weeks] I met a attractive woman, we clicked, got along and, well, we had intercourse. The moment was there and it happened. I had no problems whatsoever, and was surprised I was able to get to attention so fast and for so long. Didn't lose any erection or anything like that. The experience was very wonderful. I noticed without M and P I was able to preform and very well according to my female partner.

I know I'm not cured or anything and have to start over, but it's even easier starting over the second time around. This week has passed by very fast and, well, I'm enjoying life more.

I just followed the advice here, and damn it! Not only do I feel better, but I feel a lot more excited and horny. There's no way to describe how much more excited I am around women. I feel more sexual. I feel like I haven't felt since I was in high school. 2 hard weeks of no porn brought back feeling of desire for women. Not just the "She's pretty!" desire, but confidence and a little cockiness. It is worth the wait guys. It's worth the resistance and willpower to avoid P&M as much as you can.

Here's another forum member's experience (he also quotes from heathlystrokes.com):

"Traumatic Masturbatory Syndrome (TMS) is the habit some males have of masturbating in a face-down (prone) position. Some TMS practitioners rub their penises against the mattress, pillow, or other bedding, or the floor. Some TMS practitioners lie on their stomachs and thrust into their hands.

Masturbating face down puts excessive pressure on the penis, and especially on the base of the penis. These sensations are not easily replicated in conventional masturbation or in sexual intercourse. This can make TMS practitioners unable to have normal sexual relations. A survey conducted for this web site revealed that males who masturbate conventionally have sex 6.6 times more often than TMS practitioners."

Actually it's very dangerous and can have long lasting, chronic side effects. (ED, delayed orgasm, physical damage) I also used to masturbate prone, I discovered it when I began to masturbate and never used my hands until I stopped PMO.

People masturbate prone because it generates such a pressure on the penis that the stimulus is way higher, thus bigger dopamine high. It felt so good like nothing else in life I ever experienced, even drug-like.

After 5 years of doing so I could not masturbate with my hands. It simply wasn't possible. I stood in the shower and giving up after 10 minutes. I was depressed about it but never give it a second thought, had no clue was it was about.

"More than 90 percent of males learn to masturbate through self-discovery. Males who practice TMS unfortunately self-discovered an unconventional method. Males who learn to masturbate from other people invariably learn to do it the conventional way. (Most males who discover it for themselves also discover the conventional way.)"

Actually I think it's more complex. Masturbating prone is more rewarding, so depressed people with an already low-reward life can be tempted to try masturbating prone. But I don't know for sure...

However, I also self-discovered the wrong way, so I knew nothing else. But when I realized most people masturbate with their hands, I didn't like it because it wasn't rewarding, and I could only fantasize if I lay on my bed face down.

After 4-5 months without excessive masturbation I can proudly announce I regained my ability to masturbate with my hands, gently and even without fantasizing and have a good, intensive orgasm. :) Only a few weeks into it made a huge difference.

Another guy:

I haven't been on here for a while but I thought I'd let you know that I am cured and I too masturbated prone since I was young, 36 now. Read Doidge's book; it's a great primer for neuroplasticity. You may not like this but I have no idea how many days it took to get myself cured. I took some advice a while back and decided to not count the days. If you want to use "days" as a measuring stick, great. For me, just stopping all masturbation completely and looking at female images online did the trick, plus exercise and meditation. TMS is a bitch, I think it may make it more difficult to recover but it can be done. I haven't had any ED issues in long while now. Good luck guys.

Another guy:

Seriously, I did and I have... I masturbated prone from around 11 to around 14 and then made a genius switch to death grip masturbation. Had lots of cases where I either couldn't get it up because of PIED or couldn't feel anything because of the prone, death grip combo. Today I'm completely recovered. It took me a bit over one year of 60+ day Hard Mode streaks.

Basically the problem with prone and death grip masturbation is that you desensitize your hardware (compared to the software as with the case of PIED). So you want to regain your sensitivity or preferably reboot it to original levels, right?

I understand that what healthystrokes recommends is to just masturbate normally to regain sensitivity to a more "normal level" of friction.. I have two problems with that: 1.) there is no better way of regaining sensitivity as NO MASTURBATION at all and 2.) as far as rewiring yourself is concerned, normal masturbation is a weird choice for that also because, NEWS FLASH, normal masturbation doesn't feel a lot like a vagina (even if it's closer to it then fucking prone masturbation).

What I would recommend for virgins who have masturbated prone or with a death grip for a significant part of their life is to do the 90 days Hard Mode NoFap challenge to regain sensitivity and then if you don't feel comfortable rewiring yourself with a real woman for whatever reason, DON'T do it with you hand but with a vanilla textured fleshlight. I mention vanilla textured because there are fleshlights out there that stimulate your penis far more then a normal vagina would which brings you back to desensitizing yourself to a certain degree..

Why do I recommend a fleshlight? -Because if you, for whatever reason, can't rewire yourself with a real vagina than at least practice for it with the 2nd best substitute - a fleshlight.

As for myself, when I say I'm fully recovered I mean fully recovered. You mentioned that condoms should be a problem for somebody who had TMS - I can easily orgasm with a condom. Basically, my penis is extremely sensitive to a woman. There is very realistic hope for you too, I believe ;)

P.S. Also, if you want to recover FORGET about prone masturbation forever. It IS harmful and the longer you'll do it the harder it will be to recover...

Another guy:

Age 26 - Porn-induced ED cured 279 days into my reboot. "Growing up I always masturbated by rubbing by dick on the mattress lying prone, which I also learned was AWFUL for me."

Female perspective:

It works! 35-ish days of no porn and no fap, major results!

I've had a case of what I think is female death grip and porn conditioning, although not actual porn addiction. Basically, over the past few years, things have changed such that in order to get off, I needed to use my own particular masturbation technique and usually porn as well. I started dating a wonderful guy during this time, and found to my dismay that I couldn't have orgasms with him unless I did it myself, and even then, it was difficult.

A little over a month ago, I started a 30 day no fap, no porn challenge. I'm now back to having orgasms from my boyfriend, by hand. It's not completely consistent yet, but the improvement is huge. Thanks, no fap!

I found some advice from Your Brain On Porn especially helpful. l made a point of not thinking about porn while having sex with my boyfriend. I think it really helped break the conditioning around porn. In fact, I have been experimenting with masturbation again (without porn), and I find it easy to get off just from thinking about my boyfriend and the sex we have. It's been great!

Warning about Healthy Strokes from forum member:

Even if I think that the author of healthystrokes.com is an amazing person, who wants to help people get rid of that behaviour, he is also a damned stupid one. Why is that? Because he openly proclaims that 'visual aids' are not a problem at all. It is his opinion that porn is not harmful and that normal masturbation is the healthiest thing in the world. He simply doesn't seem to understand the brain changes that occur through an addiction.

I think this is most troublesome as it doesn't help to get rid of that goddamn addiction at all. It might, at best, change it in another direction. It is a good idea to tell people about healthystrokes.com. But you really should think about adding that the solution provided at that site might very well lead people into a troublesome trap. This is what happened to me:

Yourbrainonporn.com taught me that I'm an addict and that I have to stop this addiction to get a better life. The solution: Quit cold turkey from any kind of PMO. Healthystrokes.com teaches guys about the trouble of prone masturbation, but not at all about why they are having these troubles. Not a hint that they might be addicted at all.

The author's solution: Stop prone masturbation, start normal masturbation. If you can't do it, stop masturbating prone for a week or a little more, then try it the normal way. Fail? Start again. And so one goes through withdrawal again and again and again.

I was and still get stuck wondering if what is provided at yourbrainonporn is right. It makes so much sense; it simply has to work. Then again, maybe that dude from healthystrokes is totally right and I just have to relearn masturbation. Who cares if I have to jerk off while being only 50 percent erect? It will get better in time. WRONG. It doesn't. And it always ends in relapsing with prone masturbation and binging at that. Been there for myself too many times.

 That said, some guys have a lot of trouble recovering from TMS.


Hi Gary, thanks for this post.

I've been reading through the executive summary at http://www.healthystrokes.com/.

There are two statements in this site that I would ask you to comment:

1) Yes, it's necessary for males to masturbate.

2) It's necessary for males past puberty to ejaculate


First, we suggest that once men have rebooted their brains, that they find a sex/masturbation schedule that works for them. Our suggestions are meant for addiction recovery and porn-induced ED. We really don't have suggestions for post recovery. The important question is "will taking a few months off masturbation negatively affect me?" We have only seen positive effects for those addicted to porn or with porn-induced ED.

Be aware that there are hunter-gatherer tribes that have no word for masturbation (in the following articles). Which means masturbation is not inevitable for some populations. Ejaculation will no doubt occur without masturbation - either through wet dreams, or sex.

Here are some pages on the subject:

An FAQ - Are there any guidelines for healthy masturbation?

Ejaculation: How Often for Good Health?

Masturbation, Fantasy and Captivity

WEIRD Masturbation Habits

Great Gary, thanks. Crystal clear.

Dear Expert,
Hope you can help me, it is drving me crazy. For 1,5 years i stopped mastrubating prone position. I started mastrubating prone about the age of 5, after i was curcumsiced.I have still not recovered from the TMS, because when i go to sleep i unconciously preform the prone mastrubation in my sleep. This keeps me from recovering. morphologically i try to mastrubate the normal way, this doesnt help either, if i do it is is to ecessive because of the difficulty orgasm due the TSM. What should i do?
I also begin to watch porn at the age of 15, quited for a month straight. Hope you can help me

masturbating to porn?

You may not realize it, but frequent masturbation and fantasy/porn use can actually ramp up horniness, making you more likely to act out in your sleep. (And the early weeks of withdrawal from heavy porn use can be even more intense as far as cravings go.) But it's definitely worth experimenting with an extended timeout from internet porn. Sexual Fantasy: The More You Scratch the More You Itch

As for what you do in your sleep, I think you may just have to let that die away naturally. I assume you've tried sleeping on your back and putting pillows at your sides so you don't flip over as easily. If you're really desperate, you might try something radical for a bit: http://yourbrainonporn.com/why-i-encased-my-junk-in-plastic

It often takes more than a month to retrain the brain when a habit is deeply engrained, so be patient and keep a sense of humor. If you've ever trained a pet, you get the idea. Consistency pays, but being hard on yourself doesn't. Porn Then and Now: Welcome to Brain Training

Meanwhile, the things that help guys the most are exercise, meditation, socializing, time in nature and even daily cold showers: http://yourbrainonporn.com/cold-showers. These help restore balance in the brain, making you less impulsive, awake or asleep.

Good luck.

Dear Expert,

Thank you very much for the respons.

For the traumaic mastrubation, i try to quit for now more than two years. stopped watching porn after your last respons, but relapsed this week, and also relapsed imidietelly with tms( i see the connnection now). have had intercorse with a girl in the period i stopped porn and Tms but were again als always unable to orgasm. Because of the desire to let it out after a week, i begin to mastrubate on porn and climaxed ( this only happens when watching porn) do you have a suggestion for my situation? Will i ever be able to have intercorse and climax. I understand i really have to stop watching porn, will this also heal my unconcious tms preformence? Or do i have to follow the healthy strokes program? ( i am not able to orgasm withoud porn)

still do no porn. If you need porn to orgasm that means you have trained your brain to need porn.

Thank you for the fast respons.

How can i retrain my brain to orgasm to normal stimuli? also my penis is not sensitive anymore. Would like to know the things i can do to get normal. Started porn young and also TMS.

Is it bad when having regular intercourse and not able to orgasm, and will i eventually be able to orgasm?

How can i retrain my brain to orgasm to normal stimuli?

If you can't masturbate without porn, don't masturbate. Walt until you can masturbate without porn, then masturbate.

Is it bad when having regular intercourse and not able to orgasm, and will i eventually be able to orgasm?

No it's not bad. It is part of the cure and goes by many names, as its been practiced for thousands of years.

see - Another Way to Make Love


Thank you for the advice. I relapsed on watching erotic porn pictures again, because only then i am able to orgasm. i buyed a cage for my dick so i can not mastrubate during the night. what will help me to stop this behavior? and how long will it take to be healthy, thank you

Read tools for change - http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/tools-for-change

And employ the suggestions of exercise, mediation, socializing, adding hobbies, etc. to change your life. If you don't change your life you will not change.

Go to this link - http://yourbrainonporn.com/rebooting-advice-observations

and start with

Continue through the other posts on that page - follow the best suggestions offered by those men who have succeeded.

Then join a forum and make a recovery journal. See - http://yourbrainonporn.com/discussion-board

You need to put time and effort into this journey


Thank you very much for your care!
Am now since A couple of months having confersations with a sexuoligist.
Am little confused because he tells me to gently play and touch. But am not sensitive so its hard to enjoy. Me myself thought it is beter to leave it alone completely. To recover the densitivity and not relapce. But the sexuoligist says it is not better to leave it or suppres it because than it will keep comimg back the TMS. Either way the mastrunation is keep on appearing during the night. Please do you have advice what to do? Stay completely away from it and sleep with cock cage ( it is slightly unconfortoble). Or give self love trough playing ( still am triggered to fantasy and climax) thamk you again very much

Am little confused because he tells me to gently play and touch.

That's exactly what many guys on our faq for long rebooters suggest -

Started on Internet porn and my recovery from porn-induced ED is taking too long

So I don't understand the confusion. Please do not confuse YBOP with nofap groups who suggest to not touch your self. YBOP is only about internet porn. You alone must decide what to do.


Ok im 15 and i know specific science has not yet concluded the recovery from my age group problem but i just have one qeustion. Ok for my background oi have been masturbating to porn for about 3 to 4 years. Now i have been on a no pmo strikeout for exactly 4 months now. Today i thought i would try a lil inoccent stroke so i cleared my mind and only focused on feeling. I didnt orgasm at all and i was close but incredibily i was able to control my climax. This was all in the shower. I used some avon body oil my mom had and stroked cleared my mind and i was holdin a semi but pretty good erection. I hardly had erections like tht in my 4 years of abbuse. So do you think i relapse because of the stimulatiom i have my self. Or i took a step forward. If so im willing to practice this every monday. And also how can i relax and get erections with my girlfriend. Thank you and please respond.

This FAQ discusses the concept of relapse - What stimuli must I avoid during my reboot (did I relapse)?

15 is pretty young for a "reboot". Are you saying that you have porn-induced ED? You also seem to be saying that this is the best erection you have had in a long time. How long have you had ED? Are you sure it's porn related? How will to gauge when you are cured?

Maybe you have read this FAQ discussing young guys who may be taking a bit too long. It suggests doing what you are trying - at least for a while.

Started on Internet porn and my reboot (ED) is taking too long

However, you have a girlfriend, so it may apply to you.

Are you also saying that you have performance anxiety? Is your erection weaker with her, than when you masturbate while thinking about her?

We don't have any articles on performance anxiety. However, it's not unusual to get that mixed in with porn related desensitization.

You could visit http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/ for advice on performance anxiety. Lots of guys there with lots of experience.

And yes i know i may seem very young to be having these problems but ive searched this website and took the test and it proved to be from porn. What made me stop and complently give up porn was when my girlfriend let me touch her and got familiar with each others bodies and i felt nothing. At that point i knew porn messed me up and these last 4 months wasnt hard to avoid porn at all but results arent really high. One time we tried to have sex and i couldent get it up. At that point i knew it was serious and i started qeustioning my selfesteem. And i get semi hard then lose it when where making out. I just wanna know if theres any methods i should take and should i continue to avoid harmful stimuli. It always feels like a brain fog when it comes to intimacy but deep down i know theres hope and i just feel there is way i can allow myself to get an erection after all these years of having semi next to none. So if there are any things you can recommend i would be happy to follow. I know im young but guys 17 to 20 arent really alone....

on performance anxiety - if that's what you are experiencing. Nearly every guy under 40 who has any ED is given the diagnosis of performance anxiety. So there is a lot of information out there.

They key is to have both you and your partner to be OK with whatever happens. Have no goals. Just become comfortable with each other.

Again, I will suggest the guys on http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/ - they have a porn-induced ED section. The founder had that condition. And a lot of these guys have a lot of experience....and all would have experienced performance anxiety because once you ED caused by other factors (such as porn), you will have anxiety about being able to perform. It just makes sense.

hi, this post opened my mind about my favorite position for masturbating as a child. fortunately i corrected myself pretty early ( when i was 13 i think) and masturbated prone again just a few times in many years. the problem is that i've been rebooting for 19 days now,and i've noticed i get erections when i'm lying prone on my bed. i don't do anything to induce the erections, no fantasies, no touching, no rubbing, they just happen. might this be harming my reboot?


1) The rebooting tab above?

2) and this FAQ?

What stimuli must I avoid during my reboot (did I relapse)?  http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/what-stimuli-must-i-avoid-during-my-reboo...

There's nothing wrong with erections

i know there's nothing wrong with erections, i was just wondering whether it could be a problem to get them while laying prone.

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to know if you guys think (or have learned) that its necessary to readjust to normal masturbation after reboooting before adjusting back to normal sex. Note: I'm a virgin so I've never had sex so my brain doesn't really have any associations with getting an erection and orgasm from sex. Also something interesting is that I have now managed to have an orgasm only from prone stimulation whereas I can now masturbate normally and ejaculate only with regular masturbation (with no orgasm). It's like the act of penile stimulation with my hand and ejaculation are now completely removed from the orgasm itself. I can still get erect to fantasy and masturbate and ejaculate all without the orgasm. Please answer my previous question if possible as I am really freaking out and don't know how to proceed.

that prone masturbation was your usual way to masturbate? And that now you can now masturbate supine? I don't understand the ejaculation without orgasm - I have heard of it the other way around.

I've never had sex so my brain doesn't really have any associations with getting an erection and orgasm from sex.

That would be the case for every guy on earth, but most do just fine. I still don't understand - you seem to be saying that you can get erect with regular masturbation.


Thank you for replying. No, prone was not my usual way to masturbate (at least I don't think it was, but now that I reflect, there were some times where I would use a pillow to get aroused, but more often that not I would use my hand up and down which is the normal method). after starting porn, I exclusively used my hand. then, in trying nofap, I think I started to subconsciously drift back to prone and "edging". I think prone and edging go very well together and it can be easy to transition to prone if edging. Today, the story is different. Now I can read something about sex online and get erect and then use prone to get weird small orgasms without ejaculation. The erection goes away soon after. Then if I try to stimulate myself with my hand, I can also get it erect and with vigorous hand motion I can ejaculate but I do not experience the orgasm. I'm just scared that if somehow I don't readjust to getting an orgasm through hand masturbation, if I relapse in the future I'll still be reliant on prone. I think its much better to relapse to hand rather than prone. So I'm asking if you think its necessary for me to readjust to hand first before completely eliminating porn and masturbation altogether and just focusing on real sex.

whether you had ED or not. Either way you sound pretty good when it comes to achieving erections. Note that a relapse is porn use (or porn substitutes), and not masturbation. You would do well to separate sexual arousal from porn - that's what a reboot is all about.

I don't have an answer for ejaculation without orgasm. You may want to see a urologist for that.


thank you for your response. For the ED, I guess you could say that yes I have some ED, but I'm still able to get it erect if I use mental fantasy about real women AND use my hand. I think I am going to just abstain from all masturbation until I'm fully cured and only focus on getting aroused. I don't think any urologist is gonna be of any help based on what I've read about the medical profession's lack of awareness of this issue. one last question, are you gary wilson? Or just one of the administrator's of this website?

yes, this is Gary Wilson.


Wow, I'm very excited and glad to have communicated with you Gary! If I could, I would come over and hug you personally. Please know that your work has contributed such enormous happiness to the lives of myself and many others and for that you should feel incredibly proud and joyous. You have done something which few people have the courage to do. If I ever reach a public platform (or public office) in my life (which I plan to do) I will be sure to remember you and try to get others to acknowledge the work you have done. A very very heartfelt thank-you. :)

Hi, I'm a 20 years old male and I have been masturbating prone since I can remember (probably since I was 8 years old or before). Like most people who masturbate prone, I knew about the supine mode, but still found more pleasure on the prone way. I learned to masturnate supine about 2 or 3 years ago, just to try different ways, but still practiced the prone way more often. About 2 or 3 months ago I read the healthystrokes.com article, and learned about the dangers of prone masturbation, so I quit it right away. Since then I've been masturbating only the supine way, I've been trying to limit the frequency, but I still think I do it too much (almost daily and sometimes more than once daily), and only the supine way. However, I havent notice any changes. My problems persist. My problems are the following: I cant maintain an erection for too long, unless I am VERY excited and keep touching myself, my erections arent normal (when erect, my penis faces diagonally downward and kind of bends down too), my penis is very elastic, I can move it to any direction I want even when it is erect, I can even roll it like a rug when it is flaccid. I dont know what to do, I had a weird experience with a girl recenty, I didnt feel so much pleasure even when she was laying on my penis, actually it kind of hurt a little bit. It was terrible. I told her about my problem with tears in my eyes and she said it doesnt matter. But I know one day it will, ans I really really love this girl. Please someone help me with this. Should I drink something? I always sleep lying on my stomach, should I stop that? Should I stop masturbating at all? PLEASE HELP

Dear Experts,

Am still preforming prone mastrubation at night. Even though i stopped mastrubating prone for about two years. I also stopped wachting porn, but still am not able to enjoy normal mastrubation or sensitivity. What can i do to stop the mastrubation at night. because i want my penise to recover and get my sexuality back.

thank you in advance

i regulary touch and gently play with my penis because sexuolist says to because if i suppres it will come during the night

We just share a variety of ideas that have worked for others, and relevant science.

Second, it sounds like you're "edging," which can make cravings worse in some people: What if I masturbate (edge) or watch porn without orgasm? If you think you might be one, you could try these ideas (when you have cravings) for a while to see if you get better results:

  • Urinate, which can reduce the urges.
  • Splash cold water on your junk.
  • While you release your breath slowly contract your butt/hamstrings as hard as you can so that you feel like you're lifting up and keep it like that until you can't anymore and release it slowly.
  • Hold your breath for 30 seconds.
  • As a single movement, practice contracting and pulling upward the entire floor of your pelvis, including the anus, perineum, and genitals. It should feel like you are trying to stop yourself from going to the bathroom. You can practice this in sets of 15 or 20 contractions, holding them as long as you can. Kills boners. (More Energy Circulation Practices
  • When an urge pops up, try this: http://yourbrainonporn.com/other-techniques-for-rewiring

Other ideas that might be helpful can be found here: http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/solo-tools

Many guys find benefits from a "time-out" from sexual thoughts and activity for a while. At first cravings get worse, but then men often find they feel more balanced, relaxed and less anxious. On the other hand, going too long (more than a few months) without sexual activity can be counter-productive. You really have to experiment to see what works for you.

The key is balance. This article might be useful: Porn, Masturbation and Mojo: A Neuroscience Perspective

I am a 24 year old male virgin and to be honest I have decided to stop prone masturbation completely forever and its been 2 months but at the same time I have also decided not to masturbate in the conventional/supine way (even though i have never done it) or in other words, completely stopped masturbation.

My 2 questions are;
First, is it necessary and better for a prone masturbating guy to learn supine masturbation for some time before involving in sexual intercourse or is it better to completely stop any sort of masturbation for a few years and then directly involve in a sexual intercourse ?

Second, After maybe 2 to 3 years of absolutely no masturbation, if I get a partner to have intercourse with, would I be able to ejaculate, have an orgasm and finish it?

My thought is that you shouldn't try to plan your whole recovery just yet. Take one step at a time. If, after a while, you want to incorporate healthy masturbation before finding a partner, you can try it. Are there any guidelines for healthy masturbation?

There are many avenues to recovery. The most important factor today seems to be avoiding internet porn. If you have been using porn, or are still viewing it, read this page: What if I masturbate (edge) or watch porn without orgasm? So, if you incorporate masturbation in your recovery at some point, learn to do it without porn: How do I masturbate without porn?

Also, socialize a lot with potential partners even before you enter a relationship. It's helpful in reducing urges and wiring to real people.

Good luck!

Thank you so much for responding. Before I ask my last question, I would like to tell you that being in prone masturbation for more than 10 years, I masturbate using my imagination and I DO NOT watch porn and masturbate at the same time. I used porn videos as one part of the source for my imagination or in other words, I watch porn then close my computer then lay down somewhere prone position then close my eyes and use my imagination while masturbating. Which is why I chose 2 months back to quit masturbation completely including NOT to learn or avoid learning the supine masturbation technique, and I need your advice if i have made the right choice or not.

Also my last question is, since I have chosen not to masturbate at all for a few years thinking that's a healthy solution, I do not get urges to masturbate but is it harmful when I get sexual pornographic thoughts leading to erection or should I try avoid sexual thoughts as well ?

We suggest replacing porn-based thoughts with real sexual thoughts

Hi Gary,

My age is 29, I have been following this site for the past four years now, it has been almost four years without pmo with a few relapses initially. I started masturbating prone from 10 and shifted to death grip from 18. Watched high speed porn and stopped having proper erections since 17.I haven't been into a relationship with a girl yet too. My concern here is that i still dont have regular normal erections or cant keep it if i have one sometimes despite the long no pmo.

I started prone at around 8 years age and have been doing so whole my life. Today is my 4th day of no PMO. I can't masturbate with my hand. And whenever i have had a blowjob or handjob, i would get this strange tingling after a minute or so in my glans that i have to ask them to stop. So now i want to know should i treat my TMS first or PIED.
Whatever be the case, i have decided to stop porn for life. As i just want to live my life and what i was doing was just staring at the screen.Thanks

i relapsed today and did PMO twice in a row. It was my 20th PMO free day. Relapsed to TMS as well as i couldn't MO with hand. I am really confused as to what should i do? Whether to treat TMS 1st or PIED?
I plan to treat PIED first. This time i don't think i will assign myself any time frame as to when i will be cured. My 2nd question is that how will i know that i have been cured of PIED , so that i can try using my hand for curing TMS.

to give suggest you give up all artificial sexual stimulation. That's about all YBOP suggests.

Hello admin.
So now i get semi hard in the morning like after every 4-5days.SO today after feeling confident, i tried to practice masturbation using my hand. I did get a good erection but it was only after i read erotica(May be it was a wrong move and i should have waited until i get an erection by just imagination. Next time i am planning to only masturbate while imagining sex). And the moment i stopped reading to concentrate on my masturbation, the erection was gone. Plus masturbation with hand still gives me that feeling in glans which you feel when you rub your penis just after orgasm.

One very stupid but not so obvious question that i have is how to masturbate using hand. I mean do i rub my shaft only, or i rub both shaft and glans or only glans?

2nd question is-- I am 24, should i be getting spontaneous erections by just touching my penis? That when i will know i am cured?